Shannon Shark over at the Mets Police finds this offensive and I agree.

While the fan as Shannon states is a knucklehead, do we ever talk about tazers as being an inappropriate means of restraint? If we were really pro-life, gun control and the immoral torture practices that exist in the world should also be on the agenda.

What thinkest you?

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  1. How is it offense or inappropriate? It effectively, quickly and safely stopped the potentially dangerous situation. The only way this young man was going to be stopped was by an open field tackle which if more dangerous to the boy and to the POLICE OFFICER (not security guard) than the Taser.

  2. This guy was dangerous? C’mon — he’s a dumbarse teenager I could’ve safely tackled. When did the Philly cops turn into such a bunch of delicate flowers?

    Using any kind of weapon should be reserved for the most extreme situations where lives really and truly are in danger. A probably-drunk kid on a baseball field full of grown men who get paid bajillions to play a little boys’ game is NOT that situation.

    All the cops accomplished was making themselves look like a bunch of abusive girly-men.

    But my son says, after getting headbutted in the face by a drunken Phillies fan in NYC just for wearing his Mets hat, all Philadelphia fans should automatically be tasered on sight, so maybe I’m wrong. 😉

  3. And the officers were supposed to know he was just a simple stupid kid? People jumping onto the field aren’t dangerous?? Tell Tom Gamboa that. He was the first base coach for the Kansas City Royals when two “fan” came out onto the field and attacked him for no reason.

    Any kind of weapon should be reserved? So hands on should be the first level used huh? Like I said, the only way he was going down was by an open field tackle and there would be more risk to him getting hurt would be greater that way than by using the Taser. There would also be a great use of the officer getting injured by a tackle than the Taser.

    I don’t think it makes the officers look like “abusive girly-men” I think it makes them look like a professional that has been given a set of tools to use and been trained at what level he can use them and used them correctly.

  4. Tasers are serious weapons. They have the potential to kill people with undetected metabolic conditions.

    This was a boy — a stupid, idiotic boy, obviously being an idiot and a jerk, but a boy nonetheless. He wasn’t going to hurt anyone, which was obvious a couple minutes into his behavior.

    The reason this slob tasered him is just that — because he was an out-of-shape slob who, along with a bunch of equally slobby security guards, couldn’t catch up with him because he could run faster. Period.

    On what day did cops become such prima donnas that there first incination is to worry about their own well-being — especially when it comes to the oh-so-daunting task of chasing down a stupid, harmless kid on a baseball field?

    Oooh — am I going to get tasered if I get pulled over for having a broken taillight because, heaven forfend, Officer Tubby might break a nail writing the ticket?

    1. I suppose we don’t know if the trespassing offender has a gun or a knife. But that’s true of every incident.

      Bottom line for me is that this is excessive. Why not let the kid run himself out and then grab him? I’ve seen most people run out on the field and then slide into a base. Then the cops and the security team jump him.

  5. Tom Gamboa was attacked from behind, first of all. This guy was in the open field visible to all. I think that there was an easier way here.

    I recently saw a guy get thrown out of a hotel and the officer simply pushed him off the property with a tiny club–more like a football blocking technique. He didn’t hurt him, he merely got him off the property using a minimal amount of force when the guy refused to leave.

    Minimal amount of force seems to be the thing here. I don’t think a tazer falls under that category.

  6. You guys really have no idea what you are talking about. The kid was actively resisting and the Taser falls on that level on the Use of Force scale. If it was a foot chase in the field nobody would have batted an eye but because it’s on a baseball field it’s suddenly wrong?
    Nice derogatory terms–slob, prima donas (real Christian)and why would I be a prima dona for looking after my own good? Why should I put myself at risk to tackle the kid, and injure myself and possibly the kid when the department has given me a tool and said that it’s okay to use it at this level of force.
    As for the arguments that “Oh, now I have to be worried about being Tasered for a burnt out tail light” Really? Really? Yeah–that’s the same.
    And the guy getting pushed out of the hotel–again, not the same. The offender wasn’t at the same level of force. He was at passive resistive and the Taser wouldn’t be allowable at that level.
    Finally, if Tasers were as dangerous as you claim and they just killed random people then they wouldn’t be as popular with police departments as they are. If that were true then people would be getting killed when they get tased in training. The incidents where people have been killed were tied in with other underlying factors (drugs). Most of the cases have been where the person was experiencing what is called “excited delirium” and were probably going to die anyway.
    Bottom line, the tasing was well within the level of force and your arguments are flawed.

  7. You’re a prima donna if you look after your own good first when you’re taking money from the tax payer to look after theirs before yours.

    No one’s life was in danger in this situation, therefore no weapons were necessary.

    As for the rest of your complaints — yes, when we start saying it’s okay to use weapons in ridiculously non-threatening situations such as this one, it’s only a matter of time before weapons are used in even more innocuous situations.

    Time after time, cops prove they’re incapable of good judgment and that they abuse their position and act like animals and brutes and bullies all the time.

    Sorry. I have very little respect for cops, and this incident only solidifies my opinion of them.

    Want respect? Man up and earn it.

  8. Ahhh, so it comes out–you’re own bigotry and ignorance makes it incapable of looking at the situation logically and intelligently. I don’t think I have anything else to say here.

  9. No,it comes down to my experience and to my ability to logically and intelligently analyze this situation.

    The police officer who analyzed this situation was not using logic or intelligence (well…you can only use it if you have it…). Instead, he relied on brutish, bullying, abusive tactics because it was easier for _him_.

    Perhaps it’s _your_ prejudices, in which the cops are always right because they have weapons and a license to use them, that are leading _you_ to your conclusions.

    1. Ok because I am king of fairness, I’d like to say three things:

      1). I think we can be a bit more charitable here towards one another.

      2). I think Nora has a good take about this particular case. I think the use of the tazer gun is excessive here.

      3). But I also think that Jaime is right as well. Cops are often mischaracterized as trigger happy buffoons. I do think that Nora may have an unfair bias towards police officers. Still I don’t think it matters in this particular case.

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